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Roasting / Re: Quest M3
« on: January 05, 2014, 10:03:33 PM »
Truthfully, yes - I do. But, IMO that inconvenience is more than offset by the fact that I do back to back batches. I think I could crank out 6 batches to the Behmor's 1 batch, given that the Behmor needs a hour cool-down between batches. That's great for me, because I need to test Roastmaster constantly - I end up giving a lot of coffee away, so for the average home user that may not be such a big deal.

Now a disclaimer: I'm not saying the Quest officially supports back-to-back batches - I've never been able to find hard proof one way or the other, but I have done it for years with no ill effect - sometimes 10 in a row.

For, me the pros are:
  • Very probe friendly and easy to log bean mass temps - just need fittings and the probes
  • I just think it looks really cool, and love the all-metal construction
  • Manual Operation - I'm a tweaker and like the control
  • Love the tryer
  • Love the fact that I can do back to back batches.
  • Quick bean cool down

Cons:
  • Smaller batch size
  • IMO it takes a while for changes to really impact the beans - either heat or fan. Wish the fan was a little more powerful to get heat out more quickly. This may be true of any electric roaster, just feels like it could be faster to affect changes

If you're trying to decide between a Behmor and a Quest, they're both excellent roasters, but I really feel they're for two different markets. The Behmor is more geared toward set-it-and-forget it. You can tweak it with time-shifts, but you just don't have the level of tweaking control that the Quest gives you. For some folks that's a pro - for others it's a con.

I have both, and wouldn't part with either one.

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Support / Re: Best thermocouple setup for Behmor
« on: January 05, 2014, 09:42:37 PM »
Hi

Sorry, I can't speak from experience on this one. I've never mod'ed a Behmor, personally - but I can at least tell you about the probes.

The most flexible, would be the Bluetherm Duo or Phidgets - either of these would let you choose a custom size K type thermocouple (or J type if you use Phidgets), which might be very helpful depending on where you choose to place it. There's lots of different sizes and diameters out there.

The iCelsius, of course, is a cheaper solution, but requires a wired connection to the iOS device. Also - its temperature range maxes out at 250° C (482° F). I'm not sure exactly what the internal temps of the Behmor are in the "hot zone", so you might want to take that into consideration. When I first talked to the iCelsius folks, I asked whether or not temp above 250° C would HARM the probe, or just make its reading unreliable. They said it shouldn't harm it, but it sounded like the the rep wasn't actually sure. So, take that into advisement. If the beans are reaching upwards of 220° C, I'm sure the radiant heat would drive the probe much higher if it were too close to the quartz elements, and, IMO, could potentially damage it. If you have another probe handy, and have already chosen a probe location and were interested in the iCelsius for cost reasons, you could do a test roast with that probe and see. Make sure to choose one of the profile/program combinations that reach max heat, though.

Hope this helps.

Danny

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Support / Re: Bluetherm duo temperature reading
« on: December 30, 2013, 03:03:19 AM »
Hi

Sorry you're having problems. I, personally, have never seen any anomalies with the BlueTherm Duo, and I'm not sure offhand what could be causing this error. So, I have a couple of questions/suggestions:

Firstly, do you roast in F or C?

Secondly, the next time it happens, can you:
  • Leave the roast console open in the "Roasts" tab with the curves intact. (Note: If you created the roast from the home screen, save and close it there, then jump to the roasts tab, and open it there. Just need to leave it open somewhere so the probes won't disconnect)
  • Go to the "Home" tab, and flip it over to show Utilities
  • Open the "Probes" list, and tap the probe to open its details
  • Tell me what the status line says. Should be "Linked: XX C (XX F)".

The reason for step 1 is that Roastmaster polls every 15 seconds to make sure any active/linked probes are actually still in use by either a roast, a roast console window, an analyzer window or a probe details window. If not, it will shut down the unused links to conserve battery.

That being said, there is nothing code-wise that I can think of that would necessitate making a new roast or curve. I'm guessing that in the process of doing that, the active links have time to be shut down and the new roast or curve "works" because RM is firing up a fresh BD link when you create it. In other words, I think that when this problem happens, you could just save and close the existing roast - wait at least 15 seconds for any probes to disconnect, then open it again and see the correct values.

Now, this isn't a good solution, so I still want to find out how to reproduce it so that I can fix it. My hunch is that it's happening in the BTD SDK. I just got a new version from the manufacturer a couple of days ago. It's possible they've identified this bug and fixed it.

Thirdly, do you notice a pattern?

Kind regards
Danny

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Support / Re: BlueTherm Duo
« on: December 26, 2013, 05:55:12 PM »
Hi Ben

Great! Thanks for sharing the pic - I love to see pics of different roasting setups.

Roast full-screen - definitely! That's actually the screencast I'm working on today.

Once you've setup the roast and saved or started it, the Analyzer button will be enabled (the crosshair/target button next to the gauge). Tap that and you can roast entirely in the analyzer. When you launch it, it will be showing the same data the roast console is showing.

Keep an eye out for the screencast - I'll be showcasing some of the analyzer's features. Deltas, curve selection, target mode and differential temp projections are the ones you'll probably be using the most.

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Support / Re: Error 1002
« on: December 24, 2013, 06:23:52 PM »
If anyone encounters this error, please refer to Database Error 1002

There's an explanation of what is happening and how to get around it. If you need assistance, email support@rainfroginc.com

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Wish List / Re: Sonofresco ADR
« on: December 24, 2013, 05:52:13 AM »
Wow - thanks for sharing this! This is really exciting stuff!

I guess it would all depend on if they plan to create an SDK for iOS. I'll go back and read this in detail and see what I can glean from it. I've talked to a number of roaster manufacturers abut the possibility of having Roastmaster directly control a machine - this would be a great first step to that.

I'll contact them after the holidays and see what they can tell me.

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Support / Re: Error 1002
« on: December 19, 2013, 04:29:50 AM »
Hi - sorry you're having problems. I'll need to see your database to correct it - can you send it to me?

To do that...
  • Tether the device to iTunes
  • Go to Apps —> File Sharing
  • Select Roastmaster, then drag the “Databases” folder to your desktop.
  • Compress that entire folder into a ZIP archive and email it to me at support@rainfroginc.com.

Danny

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Support / Re: Behmor 1600: Where to place thermocouple(s)
« on: December 16, 2013, 01:51:56 PM »
Hello

All of my probe roasting is done on my quest, so any input I'd have is just speculative (I haven't mod'd my Behmor). That being said, I like the placement of this probe http://www.flickr.com/photos/11456365@N03/8728849167. Since there's no way to get a probe directly into the began mass, this looks like it would be a good tradeoff since it's near the bean mass. Looks like it would at least be a good indicator of the heat the beans are receiving, but still a little shielded so as not to be too near the heating elements.

For what it's worth, the ET on my Quest fluctuates a great deal from roast to roast. Now - I roast back-to-back a lot, and the fan variable contributes to this. The Behmor should be more constant than that, but still I think it's worth trying to keep the probe as close to the bean mass as possible.

I'm interested to know how you make out. If you take any pics I would love to see them.

Any questions on probes just let me know.

Danny

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Wish List / Re: New graphs: Delta and Rate of Rise
« on: December 11, 2013, 03:41:19 AM »
Hi Dana

I'm very intrigued by the idea. Like I said, it was something I thought a great deal about while developing the last update. Having predictable thermal equations drive the projections instead of a differential equation would add a great deal of accuracy to them, so I pondered how it might work. Maybe tapping one curve label, then mother to establish a link. Not sure, but it's an interesting idea.

Thanks for taking the time to post about it - I really appreciate the feedback. I'm going to think about this a bit more.

Danny

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Wish List / Re: New graphs: Delta and Rate of Rise
« on: December 11, 2013, 01:35:03 AM »
Hello

Live deltas are shown for curves when using data logging, but only node deltas are shown when entering data manually. I think what you're asking about is a way to show the difference between the live deltas of two different curves, am I correct? i.e. factor both live deltas together, then display the difference?

The stumbling block is that many people use many different types of curves. Linking two together in any predictable way isn't impossible, just something that, as of present, the app has no knowledge of. It's a concept I actually have given some thought to, though. Especially when designing the temp projections.

Speaking of - have you had a look yet at the temperature projections? Seems as though they may offer you some help. Select a curve and tap the crosshair in the side control dock. You'll see a target appear. Data logging users will find this a fairly accurate way of predicting temps as you approach first crack and onward. Manual entry is still helpful, just not as accurate as having a constant flow of data to calculate.

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Support / Re: Timestamp
« on: December 10, 2013, 01:20:42 AM »
Cool - any questions with that just let me know.

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Support / Re: Screen shot
« on: December 10, 2013, 01:19:34 AM »
Hi Andy

You can take a screenshot in iOS by pressing the home button and power/sleep button at the same time - it will save to your camera roll. This will capture the whole screen - is that what you're looking to do?

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Support / Re: Timestamp
« on: December 09, 2013, 04:05:52 PM »
Hi Andy

Yes, starting in v7 the node is time-stamped at the moment you invoke that window. My original thinking was in line with yours, but I was eventually won over by the arguments of multiple users who felt the old way was counter-intuitive. Their logic was that you mentally take note of the temp when you tap to record it. By the time you've entered the numbers the temp could have changed a degree or two, and that was the best way to ensure accuracy. Testing the new way, I saw the benefit.

I can alway put in a pref to enable to old behavior. Are you still finding it cumbersome?

Danny

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Wish List / Re: 4 k type thermometer support
« on: December 02, 2013, 02:32:15 PM »
As new probes come to market I definitely plan on supporting the ones that interface with iOS. Next on the list is the Range series.

Unfortunately, most probes are USB only which won't work in iOS, but seems that manufacturers are finally starting to fill that niche with Bluetooth and ethernet options.

If you see anything noteworthy, please let me know.

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Wish List / Re: Additional cupping functionality
« on: December 02, 2013, 02:24:33 PM »
Hello. I agree - not only just one at a time, but spider charts are excellent for overlaying several coffees at once to visually see the differences. I've been hashing out ideas in my head for cuppings over the last couple of months.

I plan to expand on cuppings soon, and that may very well entail different styles of cuppings - i.e. expanded attributes. Some charts can get rather detailed. What attributes are you interested in personally?

Starting small, though, I'd like to offer a spider chart as a means for entering data as well. Seems it would be more fun, and less tedious, to edit values via dragging a node on a chart. Nodes could be locked to, say, .25 increments to keep it tidy.

Thanks for the input!

Danny

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